Any girl that has told me she can not get pregnant and so we did need to use a condom instantly sent alarms up in my head.

1) No matter how infertile a chick can be, it still happends.
2) Women Lie
3) If you get a chick preganant by doing her, then you are responcible no matter what she told you. This is your kid, so you should pay for this child. If you want to have a good relation ship with this kid then put effort into it. If the woman fights you with your efforts then you were getting the wrong piece of ass in the first place and again are shown how stupid you are for belieing the chick.

Just because a chick lied to you, does not stop you from being a father.

"Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They’re dead.” -Jaya Ballard, task mage

I think you bring up a good point. The problem that I have had with this case is the precedents that it would set. Something would have to set this apart so that young men can’t use it to later shirk responsibility when they make decisions and don’t want to fulfill them…

So lets get back on track and deal with the actual case rather than arguing about responsibility issues upon knocking up a chick you just met.

Let’s lay out the facts.

They were in a relationship. If he can prove it was long term then that would set this case apart from the one-night-stand issue.

Second she did lie to him purportedly. I say this purportedly because he would have to prove this point. The burden of proof is on him and unless he has hard proof I think this is going to work against him.

Third, its a mess. No two ways about it and I don’t think this guy has a chance in hell on winning.

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Ok, taking a step back here.

I have been batting this around in my head. Taking it from her responsibility to his responsibility and back and forth. I had a nice piece written up arguing that it was her responsibility....

Then I stopped. There is a third perspective here that slipped my mind.

What about the child? Doesn’t the child deserve the support? Shouldn’t the father be more worried about caring for the needs of the child than “not paying the $500 because I didn’t want it in the first place”? How selfish is that. Even worries about the mother not using the money to care for the child should be secondary.

If it were me, I would pay the money and then fight tooth and nail to make sure that money was used towards making sure that child, which is now my son or daughter, had the best possible environment to grow up in. The real fight in court should be for more input allowed for people paying the child support, not to shirk paying because “I didn’t want it in the first place.”

When a child is involved, no matter how it comes about, there should be more emphasis on whats best for that child. They are gifts that need to be guarded and nurtured and given the best possible chance to become what they will become. Unfortunately, money is a big factor in making sure a child has their needs met. Not the only factor (mother and father in the same house helping to raise the child is what really needs to happen) but it’s a lesser second fiddle.

“Our children are the future.”

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DarthMolen - 16 March 2006 07:35 AM

Let’s lay out the facts.

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Third, its a mess. No two ways about it and I don’t think this guy has a chance in hell on winning.

That’s your opinion not a fact. Yes, proving that she lied is key. He won’t have a case without it.

DarthMolen - 16 March 2006 07:35 AM

The real fight in court should be for more input allowed for people paying the child support, not to shirk paying because “I didn’t want it in the first place."

I belive that is actually what his case is mostly about - more of men’s rights during the pregnancy.

DarthMolen - 16 March 2006 07:35 AM

When a child is involved, no matter how it comes about, there should be more emphasis on whats best for that child. They are gifts that need to be guarded and nurtured and given the best possible chance to become what they will become. Unfortunately, money is a big factor in making sure a child has their needs met. Not the only factor (mother and father in the same house helping to raise the child is what really needs to happen) but it’s a lesser second fiddle.

"Our children are the future."

So stay together for the kids huh? I disagree with this logic in general. In this case, however… I’m not sure.

I hope it’s true that every snowflake is unique, because I never want to see one like this again.

The 3rd perspective is how I have been looking at it the entire time. It doesn’t matter if the chick lied or not. He can’t prove she lied unless he gets her doctor on the stand saying the he knew for a fact that she could have kids. She could have thought she coudln’t have kids because she hadn’t got pregnant till then. She could be smart and say she never told him that if she did lie to him in the first place. The whole “She told me she couldn’t get pregnant” is a verbal aggrement because no chick is stupid enough to put that in writing and he really didn’t care at the time because he got to go bareback so I doubt he recorded her saying that.

You help conceive a kid, you pay for the kid. There is nothing you say that can take away from this (unless the chick raped you but even a real man would still pay for the kid).

This man is a coward, an idiot, and as low as you can get.

"Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They’re dead.” -Jaya Ballard, task mage

you dont think rape can happen from female against male? think again. and “real men” wouldnt pay for the baby of someone who just raped them. thats like me saying “a real woman would have the baby even if she was raped.” We know that’s a retarded statement. The woman would just scramble its brains and suck it out through a vaccuum. The point is that if a woman doesnt want the baby, she can do something about it. If the man doesnt want the baby, too bad. Its about rights here.

Why is it that when it comes to abortion its “The Woman’s” baby, but when it comes to support, its the “Couple’s” baby. In this case, the man was decieved so that the woman could concieve. Its like being scammed.

“yeah baby… i can’t get pregnant so leave the love glove off, we’ve both been tested for STDs already… it’ll feel better...”
“okay”
“haha! im pregnant!”
“NOOOO”
“fool.”

Nashoba, quit saying what a “real man” would do. After all, it takes one to know one.

Love,
Matt

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matttfichtel - 17 March 2006 02:42 PM

you dont think rape can happen from female against male?

Notice the qualifying word “unless”.

If a chick rapes you, chances are the chick will go to jail if you can prove that. If so and she still has the baby, it’s not the baby’s fault it’s mom was a psycho so anyone who real balls would take the kid and move on.

"yeah baby… i can’t get pregnant so leave the love glove off, we’ve both been tested for STDs already… it’ll feel better...”
“okay”
“haha! im pregnant!”
“NOOOO”
“fool."

Stupidity is not a defence. If a woman tells you this, why would you believe here unless you are the doctor who did the test yourself. Even then, anyone who knows a decent amount about fertility can tell you that a chick can still get pregnant if she has a uteris. Even chicks who have been told they can not get pregnant, still have gotten pregnant. 

Nashoba, quit saying what a “real man” would do. After all, it takes one to know one.

You actually had my attention till you posted this. Grow up a litte and stop with personal attacks as they do nothing but make you look imature. When it comes down to the amount of men who would shirk thier responcibility to the amount of women who want to trick men, I would wager everything I own that the large % by a large margin would be on the man shirking his responcibility. So something like this just makes it that much easier to do so. If you don’t want a chick telling you that she’s pregnant then you take all precautions if you want to bang her because anything that does result from the encounter is just as much your fault as it is thiers.

After the conception of the child, the man should have no say on keeping the kid unless they want to keep it and the mom wants to scramble it. After the birth, the father should have to pay and help raise thier child the best he can do including financial support.

"Some have said there is no subtlety to destruction. You know what? They’re dead.” -Jaya Ballard, task mage