http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/08/fatherhood.suit.ap/index.html

check it out and share your thoughts.

Love,
Matt

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I’m a religious conservative so here is my viewpoint.

Today’s society is always trying to shirk responsibility. I see this as another attempt to shirk that responsibility.

A couple piecemeal thoughts on the issues at hand because the it is soo complex.

1. There are always decision-points in a relationship. People are always complaining that they have to pay child support for an unplanned pregnancy but they never complain about the sex that brought it about. I can see that conversation now.

“Woman, you didn’t perform well enough in the bedroom to warrant me paying child support. Practice another couple of years and get back with me. We’ll have another baby and then if the performance warrants it, I’ll pay both children’s child support.”

I have a better solution to avoid child-support. Either practice abstinence til marriage (which is the decision I support) or make sure you protect yourself at all times so that the percentages go way down, especially when it comes to sex.

The person in this lawsuit is bitter because he got duped and didn’t take precautions. He wanted his cake and now he wants to get off scott-free.

2. The relationship between a mother and a child is involiate as it should be. He chose not to marry this person before they had the baby so he has no recourse. Again, he needs to take responsibility for his actions even though he feels duped.

3. I am the product of adoption. I have seen both sides of the fence within my family. Claiming adoption is the cure-all is not true. He didn’t marry the person therefore has no say in whether that baby should go up for adoption but that doesn’t relinquish him from the responsibility of his decisions (see #1).

etc. etc.

If you don’t want to pay child support, don’t do the deed. Practice some self control or at least protect yourself and then accept the gift that comes because you are playing the odds with protection.

It’s all about accepting responsibility for ALL your decisions.

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I don’t think this story has anything to do with child support as much as it does with finding the right test case to expose the double standard for paternal rights.

The lawyers for ‘Joe’ in this case are simply shining light on the fact that a woman doesn’t need the father’s permission to abort a pregnancy however the father cannot opt out of the situation should she choose to keep it.  More importantly, he cannot force her to have the baby if he truly does want the child.

Unfortunately, this is a polarizing issue.  Folks take an extreme view on one side or another when there is a huge amount of middle ground here.  Somewhere between “no abortions period, end of story” and “abortion is an acceptable form of birth control” there are thousands of abortions that can be avoided via education, adoption, and other means.  I would hope everyone would see a reduction in the number of abortions as a good thing.

Yeah. I didn’t want to open up the abortion can of worms but all that is true.

If this flies though, under their current premise then the precedence it sets is very dangerous because it could actually encourage abortion, and also on the other side of the wall, it would encourage men from accepting responsibility.

Maybe I would be more accepting of this court case if they were suing for the right of an unwed father to have more of a say into the decision process of having a baby, since it takes two to tango.

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Darth, the guy was lied to. The woman “... assured him repeatedly that—because of a physical condition—she could not get pregnant.” He did take the initiative to prevent pregnancy, but he was flat out lied too, and now she’s dragging him in to pay money for a child she wanted but he didn’t. I totally think she’s out of line for asking for money since she totally lied about it.

I hope it’s true that every snowflake is unique, because I never want to see one like this again.

I do find it odd that if a women gets pregnant (unintentional or not… ever heard the song “golddigger”?) she has these options:

1 abortion
2 tell the father, raise it with the father
3 tell the father, leave the father
4 Dont tell the father, tell him later

in situations 2-4, the father is going to have his life changed and his finances drained.

I just don’t like the system. I don’t have a solution that would be agreeable… but I don’t like the system.

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

In situations 1-4 the father will have his life changed.

curvezilla - 09 March 2006 08:46 PM

In situations 1-4 the father will have his life changed.

not nessecarily.

if its a guy that knocks up the girl at a party or something and she finds out shes pregnant and aborts it cuz of a one night stand… the fathers life wouldnt have changed… it would just be the same old life he was used to. not that i agree with that lifestyle.

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

ARGH! 
must...resist...the urge to reply......

Do not get me started!

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curvezilla - 09 March 2006 08:46 PM

In situations 1-4 the father will have his life changed.

Not for #1. Don’t get me wrong - abortions should be avoided, and only used as a last resort, and I think anyone would be greatly shaken, just like if they saw a car wreck and people injured in front of their own eyes. However, don’t play the “What If?” game, which you would have to in that case. What if we didn’t abort? well, what if the condom didn’t break? What if she was at a different time of month? People need to focus on the quality of life, not quantity or just being technically alive (yeah i’m hinting at Teri what’s-her-face, though I don’t want to derail the conversation).

I hope it’s true that every snowflake is unique, because I never want to see one like this again.

This makes me sick. You can’t honestly say because the chick lied to him about a condition that he can say he doesn’t have to pay! No one forced him to do the chick and if he did want to do the chick he could have still used protection. How stupid do you have to be to actually believe the “I have a medical condition and can’t get knocked up”. Even if you are stupid enough to believe this, stupidity is not a defence.

If you knock a chick up and she keeps the kids (which a male should have no say in unless she wants to get an abortion and the male wants to keep the child) then you pay for the kid. Don’t want to do this? Then get a box of condoms at walmart for 7 bucks.

Jebus!

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I am a Liberal Fascist-Communist!

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DarthMolen - 09 March 2006 07:55 AM

If you don’t want to pay child support, don’t do the deed. Practice some self control or at least protect yourself and then accept the gift that comes because you are playing the odds with protection.

It’s all about accepting responsibility for ALL your decisions.

People should be required to have a licence to do those sorts of things.

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The Nashoba Homma - 12 March 2006 06:41 AM

This makes me sick. You can’t honestly say because the chick lied to him about a condition that he can say he doesn’t have to pay! No one forced him to do the chick and if he did want to do the chick he could have still used protection. How stupid do you have to be to actually believe the “I have a medical condition and can’t get knocked up”. Even if you are stupid enough to believe this, stupidity is not a defence.

If you knock a chick up and she keeps the kids (which a male should have no say in unless she wants to get an abortion and the male wants to keep the child) then you pay for the kid. Don’t want to do this? Then get a box of condoms at walmart for 7 bucks.

Jebus!

i disagree with most of this.

Love,
Matt

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