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Selecting 10th Edition! 

How about a thread where we discuss the daily/weekly Selecting 10th Edition votes?  This week is a big one for art, and we have one card selection to deal with:  Earthquake or Hurricane. 

Firstly I’ll just say that I went with Earthquake.  Hurricane has been in Standard for a long time without ever seeing much use.  I did use it as a finisher in my Elf decks several times, but really don’t agree with Green having direct damage.  Earthquake, on the other hand was well-played back in Revised, and hasn’t been around much since then, so I’d like to give it a chance to see if maybe we can include a card people will actually play.  With all the aggro Selesnya and Gruul decks in the format at present it seems like it might find room in sideboards at least.

Land art--here are my selections:
Plains:  Mirage--easily the most interesting of the plains, and look at all the cute animals!
Island:  Oddyssey--a lot of sets have great Islands, so it was a tough pick, but I think that of all the sets that don’t have the new card face Oddyssey has the most pretty ones not included in 8th and 9th.  I don’t feel really strongly about this one as long as Tempest doesn’t win.
Swamp:  Urza’s--I like the crispness and coloration of the art here, unfortunately it’s all very similar.  Kamigawa probably had better swamps, but they already have the new face and foiling, so I went Old School. 
Mountain:  Mirage--again there were a lot of nice Mountians to choose from, and these seemed the nicest.  Invasion and Urza’s also look great.
Forest:  Onslaught--I didn’t like any of the selections as much as I like what we already have in 9th, but Onslaught has really good forests #1 and #4, so I voted for them.  No strong opinion.

Artists--I don’t really want to get into this too much since it seems I’m the only one here who doesn’t like Kev Walker and tends to like crisp, detailed art (see “Opposite of Lightning Helix").  In any case, I tried to give the most playable cards to Michael Sutfin, Matt Cavotta, Daren Bader, and Terese Nielson without pairing them up against each other in order to give the most cards possible really good art.  I don’t know that any of these are highly playable, but I put them on Incinerate, Story Circle, Might of Oaks, and Nekrataal.  It would be too much trouble to go into this too much more, but there you have the basics.  Go vote, and let us know where you stand!

I’m all about Earthquake over Hurricane, which is especially weird considering how much I like Green.  But Green’s always going to have something like Needle Storm, which is fine for dealing with most flyers and has the additional flavor/color pie benefit of not giving direct damage to a color that shouldn’t have it.

I voted for Hurricane over Earthquake… Allowing green a little more maindeckable damage sources…

Also, for lands… I voted for:

Tempest
Urza
Mirage
Invasion

Plains: Tempest
Island: Invasion
Swamp: Tempest
Mountain: Mirage
Forest: Urza

Period.

RGD Sealed Pariah’s Sheild(s) pulled: 17
RGD Sealed’s Played in: 16
(One was shiny...)

I like big creatures and I cannot lie
You other players can’t deny
That when a beast walks in with an itty bitty cost
And your blockers are all lost
You get removal!

Just as a side note, Hurricane and Earthquake were both in 7th Edition, and only Earthquake saw any play then.  It’s been pretty well missed since then.  Flowstone Slide is no replacement (though it does kill Paladin En-vec).

i voted earthquake because non-flyers are problematic and the efect is more global. Red is all about non-flying hasty beaters, so earthquake will naturally effect the caster as well. Hurricane, on the other hand, rarely efects green creatures, seeing as, now, there are only 4 mono-green flyers in standard (birds, Jugan, kirin, patagia vipers) and 4 green/x flyers (SSS, trygon, zeppelid, vultruous zombie). Patagia vipers are questionable, seeing as you need blue to keep it. Hurricane is not a very good global effect, which is what it was designed to do. Compare that to 155/169 red creatures WITHOUT flying, creatures affected by earthquake (well, 153 are always effected, Goblin balloon brigade and the pit dragon can dodge it… oh ad rukh egg just gets better from it, but i digress). Red is also the color of direct damage, not green.

EARTHQUAKE FTW

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

You forgot about a flipped akki lavarunner, beasts of bogardan, keeper of kookus, skirk fire marshal and subterranean spirit… but yes, I do see where you’re coming from…
However, if earthquake were back, I’d be forced to use it as Direct damage for the most part anyway…
With Hurricane… it would just provide ANOTHER way for me to use it as direct damage, in perhaps a different color…
Then again, not many people want to see my stupid uses for many cards… well, at least not more than once.
ESPECIALLY not me top8’ing with such a strange concoction that NEVER should win more than one game… ever… :p

RGD Sealed Pariah’s Sheild(s) pulled: 17
RGD Sealed’s Played in: 16
(One was shiny...)

I like big creatures and I cannot lie
You other players can’t deny
That when a beast walks in with an itty bitty cost
And your blockers are all lost
You get removal!

i was just referring to standard. hurricane would be much more balanced in an older environment with killer bees, scryb sprites, birds, cockatrice, emerald dragonfly, ifh biff efreet, etc…

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

Ah yes, sorry forgot Balloon Brigade was re-printed in 9th… Sad, sad, me… now i feel simply redonkulous!
Do me a favor, slap me upside the head next time you see me…
Just, remind me why you’re doing that so that I don’t get angry with you and PWNZ0RZ you in the middle of the store :p with Nephilicious.

RGD Sealed Pariah’s Sheild(s) pulled: 17
RGD Sealed’s Played in: 16
(One was shiny...)

I like big creatures and I cannot lie
You other players can’t deny
That when a beast walks in with an itty bitty cost
And your blockers are all lost
You get removal!

For the record: This is only to Matt, as he’s the one who corrected me… I don’t need a concusison just for showing up to FNM one evening… :p

RGD Sealed Pariah’s Sheild(s) pulled: 17
RGD Sealed’s Played in: 16
(One was shiny...)

I like big creatures and I cannot lie
You other players can’t deny
That when a beast walks in with an itty bitty cost
And your blockers are all lost
You get removal!

Most definately Earthquake. Not even close… Nowhere on the map, even…

First of all, Green does not need direct damage, even though it will have all the direct damage it will ever need until RAV Block Rotates out(Wood Elves + Stomping Ground :P). Also, Earthquake is much more symmetrical(as Fichtel noted) than Hurricane is. There are absolutely 0 green creatures that should ever die to Hurricane, and just about every Red Creature I can think of dies to Earthquake. That’s not very balanced, now is it?

On another note, Ravnica will only be played with 10E for a couple months before it rotates out, so all of the current aggro strategies shouldn’t have ANY leverage on the “Choosing 10E” votes… You will only ever kill a selesnya guildmage with Earthquake in extended, so saying that Earthquake “solves all my problems with Gruul/Zoo/UG Aggro/Whatever” is just wrong.

But then that gets us back to something I pointed out on the MTGS forums:
WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT WILL BE PRINTED IN TIME SPIRAL, SO DON’T FORCE US TO MAKE THESE TYPES OF DECISIONS. If you wanna give us a choice like ‘Savannah Lions vs. Isamaru’ or ‘Emporer Crocodile vs. Iwamori’ then fine, but we damn sure better not get any more choices like this, between 2 equally devastating(in terms of life total) board-sweepers when we don’t know what the format is going to look like when the cards are actually going to be played.

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Current Decks:
UG Aggro
Mono-Green Turbo-Allosaurus!
Mono-Red BURN

RGD Draft: 25-7-2 :)
RGD Sealed: ***Censored***

isn’t that kind of the point of choosing cards?  it’s not a reactive process at all, they’re basically saying, which cards do you want access to, not, which cards will be best for the future.
there’s a lot more personal preference and emotional response involved than practicality and predictions.

then again, I’m too lazy to sign in and vote so it doesn’t really matter what I think.

if I weren’t so lazy(and could remember my sign in name)I would choose hurricane over earthquake simply because it is so asymmetrical.

Kevin

“Wasn’t our plan just to get to 900 life and f***’em?”

Coldsnap Sealed: who cares
Coldsnap Draft: who cares

thats cuz youre like an angry old man, kevin. i guess?

id like to see hurricane only if they reprint flood, land tax, nomads en-kor, thieving magpie, and all the cards in emminent domain. that would show WotC’s humor.

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

drawer - 14 June 2006 05:55 PM
isn’t that kind of the point of choosing cards?  it’s not a reactive process at all, they’re basically saying, which cards do you want access to, not, which cards will be best for the future.
there’s a lot more personal preference and emotional response involved than practicality and predictions.

Well, see, this is where all the whining comes in…

“Oh, if we only had chosen dismiss over rewind, because we didn’t realize how gay WotC would be by not printing any more instant-speed card-draw in Blue”

and

“Oh, I totally forgot how emporer crocodile was a shit rare for 6 years BEFORE we voted it in again”

and even

“Oh, Rathi Dragon is so useless, Balduvian Horde would be so much better with RGD cards.”

And it always seems like we make all the wrong decisions on the cards that actually MATTER(Rewind, Anthem, Croc, Rathi, Blinding Angel, etc).

Another thing, ridding the coreset of hosers was kinda annoying… I’m personally hoping for Chill, Boil, Karma, Compost, and/or even Choke to make a return in 10E, especially if powerfull cards like Earthquake win the votes… See, if there were access to cards like those, things like Swords to Plowshares/Counterspell/Lightning Bolt/Ritual/etc could EASILY be reprintable(Ok, maybe not ritual :)). Obviously not all the power cards from back in the day, but at least 2-3 of them…

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Current Decks:
UG Aggro
Mono-Green Turbo-Allosaurus!
Mono-Red BURN

RGD Draft: 25-7-2 :)
RGD Sealed: ***Censored***

the format would be more fun with incinerate, swords to plowshares, sinkhole, counterspell, and… whats a powerful green card? whirling dervish? eternal witness? yes. eWitness.

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

oh yeah, and move them all to RARE!

Love,
Matt

Standard: Ideal 31-7-8

Gimme witness and NONE of that other crap. No counterspell, kird ape, painlands, dual lands, none of that… Just witness… and well, maybe troll ascetic also. :) Then I’ll be happy as a clam during hurricane season…

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Current Decks:
UG Aggro
Mono-Green Turbo-Allosaurus!
Mono-Red BURN

RGD Draft: 25-7-2 :)
RGD Sealed: ***Censored***

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